Judge Dredd
For this episode, we’re diving into the world of the one and only Judge Dredd, where one man stands between order and chaos – and he’s got a killer jawline!
Morgan is taking Tom through a mini history lesson of the famous franchise, from its comic book beginnings to its big screen adaptations starring Sylvester Stallone and Karl Urban.
We discuss everything from Stallone's amazing delivery as Dredd, a surprising British tabloid newspaper's connection to the series, its inspiration from a crude reggae star and much more.
And a big shoutout to our latest Patreon supporters: Bill Gudde and Tom Rye!
Transcript
Hello, and welcome to a new episode of Two Geeks, two beers, and zero awards.
Morgan:Yeah, we're a little bit bitter this afternoon.
Tom:Tom's mad. Why are you mad, Tom?
Morgan:Well, like, we know we're not taking over the world with this podcast. We've been doing it for nearly ten years now.
Tom:Yeah.
Morgan:And we know you guys love us.
Tom:Yeah. But, like, all five of you. Yeah.
Morgan:So years ago, we submitted ourselves for, like, the british podcast awards.
Tom:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Morgan:But it was a stupid, lofty ambitions because that was, like, proper podcasts with money behind it and stuff. But there's a thing called the Independent Podcast Awards.
Tom:Surely in with a shot of those.
Morgan:And we looked at last year's winners and nominees at least. We're like. We're easily amongst that brigade of podcasts that ilk.
Tom:Yeah.
Morgan:And so we submitted ourselves for several categories announced today. The nominees.
Tom:Oh, yeah.
Morgan:Not one nomination. No, no. And it's like. I know, I know. We're not doing it for that.
Tom:It's not why we do it. It's not why we do it.
Morgan:Even so, it'd be nice to have a little bit of recognition. Ten years of doing this bloody fucking podcast.
Tom:The wire never won an Emmy, so.
Morgan:But it at least had a nomination.
Tom:It had a lot of nominations, actually.
Morgan:So if you can just at least give us just a little bit of love on social media or an email or something, just to make myself feel better, because it's so pathetic. It is. But, you know, fuck it. We've got nothing else. Yeah, nothing. Nothing at all.
We submit ourselves to several awards, tv and film, culture, comedy, nothing.
Tom:So welcome back.
Morgan:Anyway, onto episode 133 of the nomineeless podcast. After ten fucking years, the unnominated.
Tom:The unnominated podcast.
Morgan:Okay.
Tom:But who needs it when you've got the support of your listeners?
Morgan:Yeah. All five.
Tom:All five of you. We love all five of you. The quintet we call you. And I have good news.
Morgan:Oh, yeah.
Tom:Which is that alcohol is not outlawed in Mega City one.
Morgan:Nice. Don't know what that means, but great. I'll explain. Okay, good.
Tom:So this episode, we're diving into the world of the one and only Judge Dredd, where one man stands between order and chaos. And he's got a killer jawline. Tom, what do you know about Judge Dredd?
Morgan:What do you think?
Tom:I think you have a. To call it encyclopedic, maybe overstaying it, but I think, you know all the ins and outs, the canon, the mythology.
I think I'm gonna feel foolish, because I'm gonna try and give you something of a beginner's guide to Judge Dredd. And you'll be like, well, I knew that. I knew that. I know all of it. In fact, you should be hosting the. In fact.
Morgan:Should we swap?
Tom:Should we swap? Yeah. Should we? No, no. Yeah. So that's.
Morgan:Well, I think I've realized why we haven't got nominated for anything.
Tom:Why?
Morgan:Because I know nothing about judge Dredge.
Tom:Because we haven't been nominated for award. Because you know nothing about judge Dredds.
Morgan:Pretend that we're geeks on this podcast. The whole point is that you're meant to be teaching me.
Tom:Yeah.
Morgan:And vice versa. But, yeah, I don't know anything about it. I've seen.
Tom:If you knew more about Judge Dredd, we might have gotten an ominous book.
Morgan:I've seen. I think I've seen a bit of the recent ish one with. What's his name?
Tom:Carl Oban.
Morgan:That's the one. Yeah. Never seen a Stallone version.
Tom:Hughie homelander. Done kill me wife and took me bloody son.
Morgan:Are we pretending his accent is good in that?
Tom:No. No. I think it's so bad, it's meant to be shit. I think it's so. I don't think it's meant to be, but I think it's so bad. It's good.
Morgan:Yeah. It's up there with Vinny Jones being like, oh, I need a pee.
Tom:That's actually how Vinny Joe.
Morgan:I know him, but still. Yeah.
Tom:I don't know what point you're making.
Morgan:It's like Russell Brand did the worst accent ever when he was trying to be a Brummie in Rock of ages. He's like, you're british. You should be able to be able to achieve that.
Tom:His greatest crime.
Morgan:But, yeah, no, I know what Judge Dredd is. I know the absolute basics.
Tom:What do you know?
Morgan:He's set in the future.
Tom:Yeah.
Morgan:Right.
Tom:Yeah.
Morgan:He looks a bit like robocop, but isn't.
Tom:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, that'll come up. Sort of.
Morgan:He's human, right? He's human, but he's got, like, robotic stuff.
Tom:No, well, yeah, actually, yes. Yeah.
Morgan:And he's the law and order of the town. He's law and order in the town. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it.
Tom:All right.
Well, coming up, the origins of an octogenarian action hero, the surprising link between the Human League and the metal band Anthrax, and how a reggae artist fanned by the BBC inspired a comic book legend.
Morgan:I didn't expect so much music related to.
Tom:It is weird that two of those are music related. Not intentional. Okay, so, Judge Dro. Judge Joseph Dredd was created by the writer John Wagner.
Morgan:It's Judge's name.
Tom:What?
Morgan:I thought he was just Judge Dredd. Like he judges people.
Tom:Yeah, he is. That's his judge.
Morgan:That's his name.
Tom:What do you mean? Is it. What do you mean?
Morgan:All right, I thought you meant. Okay, fine. So he's. He's. No, but he's officially a judge? Yeah. No, I thought it was a nickname. I thought it was a nickname. I thought.
Tom:What do you mean, a nickname?
Morgan:I didn't think he was, like, a judge with a fucking wig and all that. I thought he was.
Tom:Well, he's not.
Morgan:No, but I thought he was, like.
Tom:Do you think that Judge John Deeds. Do you think that was his name? Like, he's. Like. He's Martin Shaw. Like, he was born. He was born judge Deeds. What am I gonna do for a living?
Morgan:Right? Bear in mind, we've had two points. My brain went, I knew he was a judge, but I didn't think that he was officially a judge.
Like, he'd been bestowed the judgeness. And I read that the judge Joseph Dredd, and I sort of thought. Was that his first name? Well, obviously he was gonna be a judge.
Yeah, but it's not his first name.
Tom:Nominative determinism.
Morgan:His name is Joseph.
Tom:His name is Joseph or Joe Dredd, but he is a judge. I'll explain.
Morgan:Bye.
Tom: era, who sadly passed away in:Much of the planet has become a radioactive wasteland, with populations aggregating into enormous megacities. Dredd's home is megacity one, on the east coast of North America. Dredd is the most famous of the street judges that patrol mega city one.
He is a law enforcer, empowered to arrest, convict, sentence, and execute criminals.
Morgan:So who put him in charge?
Tom:Well, they set up a whole system of judges and the justice system. But that happened before Dredd. Yeah, he was sort of born into it. Fine. Or was he? We'll get onto that.
Morgan:Okay.
Tom:His iconic helmet obscures his face, except for his mouth and jaw, and his entire face is never shown in the comic strip. John Wagner explained, it sums up the facelessness of justice. Justice has no soul.
So it isn't necessary for readers to see Dredd's face, and I don't want you to.
Dredd is armed with a lawgiver, a pistol capable of firing six types of ammunition, including standard bullets, armor piercing heat seekers, and high explosive shells.
And he rides a lawmaster motorcycle equipped with machine guns, a laser cannon, and artificial intelligence capable of responding to orders from the judge and operating itself. So, the origins of Judge Dredd.
In:The name came from a horror strip that Pat Mills had previously developed with the title Judge Dredd, but Dredd being spelt d r e a d. That name was taken from the stage name of a british scar and reggae artist, Alexander Minto Hughes. Wow. You know who this guy is?
Morgan:Yeah.
Tom:The first white recording artist to have a reggae hit in Jamaica. Yeah.
The BBC apparently really rude banned more of his songs than those of any other recording artist because of his frequent use of sexual innuendo or double entendres.
Morgan:So weird. So I. Because I knew, always knew Judge Dredd, the artist existed, but I thought it was. He ripped off the other one.
Tom:Oh, you thought it was the other way around?
Morgan:Yeah.
Tom:No, no, no. What? Yeah, he's named after the reggae guy.
Morgan:Wow.
Tom:Who I'd never heard of.
in uk reggae sales during the: Morgan:Yeah, a lot. His songs are really like, you never hear them now. They're too rude.
Tom:Right? Oh, the BBC was right about him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Morgan:Wow. Blow my mind there. Wow. Okay.
Tom:So the task of visualizing the character of Judge Dredd was given to the spanish artist Carlos Escuera.
ement for the film Death Race:To use as inspiration, Esquera added body armor, zips, and chains, which Wagner initially objected to, feeling like the character looked like a spanish pirate, though the design for a dreads helmet was actually inspired by the corinthian helmets of ancient Greece. So don't tell me this podcast is nothing civilized and sophisticated.
Morgan:Nomination.
Tom:Judge Dredd was originally supposed to be set in the near future, but the hardware and cityscapes Esquera drew were far more futuristic than originally intended, so the stories ended up being set further into the future.
developed for this new comic: est running character, and in: , to give you a taste of what: Morgan:Nice.
Tom: untry, to say the least. When: Morgan:Right down in the middle of this.
Tom: onservative comic group. What:People thought because we were a science fiction comic, we were going to be rather nice and middle class, and boy, were they in for a shock.
Morgan: s I was actually getting from: Tom:People tend to think of comics as being very kind of throwaway entertainment, but this was some deep political stuff. It was talking to kids and turning this all into our generation.
Morgan:Anarchists, you've just got exit wounds all over the page.
Tom:Comics have got a terrible history for treating people really badly. Hang on, you mean I don't own any of this at all? Very soon, these artists were being headhunted.
Morgan:I was a bit of a shit to several people. Fuck off.
Tom:How much you gonna pay me? And that's the way you gotta deal with these people. Robocop, stolen dread, outrageous.
Morgan:Hey, yeah.
Tom: lture has caught up with what: ape now would be a wasteland.: Morgan:To the major label kind of thing.
Tom:Still getting away with it.
Morgan:It can be considered a british success story. Anyone can make a comic. There's only one two person ad.
Tom: bsolute wasteland. I thought.:Really like Scott, really scottish, really chill, but only says things that are like, absolutely. Like, his wife's like, want for breakfast? And he was like, oh, if I could have some shreddies, that'd be absolutely fucking phenomenal.
Fucking blow my mind.
Morgan:You obviously couldn't see it there, but unless you're watching the YouTube version.
Tom:Oh, yeah. So you obviously couldn't see it because no one does.
Morgan:Oh, yeah. You definitely haven't seen it. But the animation just looks so cool. They're just so hardcore.
Tom:And great artwork. Yeah, yeah. Famously kind of, like, visceral and violent and dark is why people loved it.
So Judge Dredd's stories often satirize american and british culture with a focus on. I don't know why I've given myself so many long words to say, give it authoritarianism and police brutality.
addition to his long runs in: Morgan:Why?
Tom:Why? Dread comic strips? This. This blows my mind. It's like, I feel like it was a different. Obviously, it was a different time because it was.
lished in the Daily Star from: o Metro from January to April: Morgan:So if you're nothing from the UK, the metro is quite a. It's a pithy little, like, daily free newspaper that you get on the tube.
Tom:Yeah.
Morgan:The idea of Judge Dredd being that for a few months doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Tom:I'd love it.
Morgan:Well, great. I'd get it.
Tom:I'd actually read it. Yeah, it's free. I still don't want to read it.
ure, from the same publishers: issues from:Now, not well regarded, not very popular amongst, you know, dreadheads, but that was actually how I first encountered the character was I picked up a. I was. Cause I was a kid. Picked up an issue of Judge Dredd, lawman of the future.
ve since graduated to reading:So as a year passes in life, a year passes in the comics. It's not like the Simpsons or, you know, anything else.
Morgan:We must be dead now then.
Tom: dge Dredd story, published in: So, stories published in:But he is now 84 to 85 years old, having undergone a rejuvenation process that restores him to his physical prime. I think we could all do with a bit of that.
Dredd is, in fact, a clone born in inverted commas from the DNA of Chief Judge Fargo, the founder of the judge systems. There you go. His origin story saw a cadet Dredd and his clone brother, Rico, like, okay, what's this one? Joe. Joseph. What about this one?
Morgan:Rico?
Tom:Rico feeling a bit fancy? Yeah. His clone brother, Rico.
They both distinguished themselves at the Academy of Law, with Rico graduating top of the class and Joe graduating second. Joe later discovers that Rico has embraced corruption, engaging in multiple crimes, including murder.
Joe arrests his brother and sentences him to 20 years of hard labour on the penal colony on Saturn's moon Titan.
Morgan:Shit.
Tom:Rico. Shit. Rico later returns for revenge after serving his 20 year sentence, and Joe shoots him dead in self defense in a duel.
That's one of the early just Dread stories.
Other notable characters in the Dread saga include Judge Anderson, who shared a close but uneasy friendship with Dredd, which briefly ended when she abandoned the law. After her return, they reaffirmed their bond. Dredd respects her abilities, but finds her playful attitude annoying at times.
s in the strip, appeared from: Morgan:Shit.
Tom: Just last year, in: Morgan:Never got the same first name.
Tom:I know. That's weird, isn't it?
nd cadet trainee, who died in:Recurring adversaries for Judge Dredd include the Dark Judges, a group of undead judges from another dimension who believe that since all crime is committed by the living, life itself should be a crime. Their leader is Judge Death, who is often considered Dredd's arch enemy.
t introduced to the series in:Mean Machine is a large, hulking man with cybernetics, including a dial on his head, which controls the power of his cybernetically enhanced headbutts.
include the Cursed Earth from: The apocalypse war from: Judge Death lives in:Jarrah, who grows up to become a freedom fighter opposing the judge's authoritarian rule. This story questions the morality of dred's world and the cost of law and order.
Morgan:So I love that. Obviously, normies like me will look at this and go, Judge Joseph's couple of films.
Yeah, but I love that there's this whole world that's sort of existing.
Tom:So dense.
Morgan:It's been going 50 years, 50 years, and it's still going, and it's sort of living in its own little.
Tom: The fact that: iconic characters, including: Morgan:So is he technically in the DC universe?
Tom:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, well, it's multiverse now.
Morgan:Oh, yeah.
Tom: And:In the film, Dredd is framed for murder by his own half brother, the psychotic Rico, who plots to take over mega City one with an army of superhuman clones. Here's the trailer. Where there is crime in society, there is no justice. Opening with a Plato quote.
Morgan:There.
Tom:Is that.
Morgan:Max.
Tom:Max. Max. Boy. Max. One sider. Judge. This quits. Adjourned. Dredd, you're a legend. You are my finest student. Get Drake. Drake Dread, you're under arrest.
What's the charge? Murder. The evidence has been falsified. Guilty as charged. I am not the law. I am the law. Do I chaos the sentence? Shelby? Life imprisonment.
And the chaos train. Very crushing paw.
Morgan:Excuse me.
Tom:We're not together. It's not for this console to play God. Who says politics is boring?
Morgan:Rob Schneider.
Tom:We're going to war.
Morgan:You're a lot of fun to be with.
Tom:Right, Mister Hyand? We got a lot in common. I'll be the judge of that. Very good.
Morgan:Deadline.
Tom:That was a lot.
Morgan:Yeah. I mean, it's one of those films. It's probably rubbish, but.
Tom:Oh, it's bad.
Morgan:It looks like a lot of fun.
Tom:Yeah, it's quite fun. And both can be true. Both can be true. So the Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Morgan:Oh yeah.
Tom:Was considered for the title role.
Morgan:Funny that it's always one or the other.
Tom:I never broke the law. I am the law. Gonna work. The power of dread ultimately went to Sylvester Stallone. The film received generally negative reviews.
Morgan:You sound like droopy then.
Tom:Oh, dear. The film received generally negative reviews with a 22% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. I've heard worse. Only a bit worse than hook, apparently.
Morgan:I started.
Tom:Fans also disliked the fact that Dredd removed his helmet and felt that the film lacked the humor of the original comic, as well as ignoring important aspects of the dread mythology.
Morgan:It feels like, you know, like Ryan Reynolds in the original appearance of Deadpool.
Tom:X Men. Wolverine. Yes.
Morgan:Where?
Tom:Moore.
Morgan:Yeah, it's like I get. You want to see Stallone's face?
Tom:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Morgan:But. Nah. Sorry. If you don't want that, get fucking Peter Weller. Back. Yeah, he'll do it.
Tom:Weller was happy to do it.
Morgan:Imagine if he did both.
Tom:It would have been good.
Morgan:Yeah.
Tom:Yeah. John Wagner said, I hated that plot.
It was Dredd pressed through the Hollywood cliche mill, a dynastic power struggle that had little connection with the character we know from the comic. So Wagner was not a fan. Although in retrospect, it has gone on to earn a cult following.
This film having received some praise for its depiction of Dredd's city, the costumes, and its larger than life characters. I think fans now, at the time, was just hated. Now they look back, they go. It got aspects of the larger than life world right.
That depiction was good, but it got the character of dread wrong. So another adaptation, just called Dread, this time presumably to differentiate itself, was released in September 20.
Twelve to a much more positive critical reception rating of 80%, which is serviceable. It was directed by Pete Travis, written by Alex Garland. And it stars oi Carl Urban as Judge Shred and Olivia Thirlby as Judge Anderson.
Morgan:Okay.
Tom:In the future.
Morgan:Thanks.
Tom:No worries. One city is addicted.
Morgan:Addicted.
Tom:We can find out. Desire.
Morgan:Ah, Belarus. Larouze dates it to a new substance. Was that.
Tom:Yeah. To a new substance. Makes the brain feel as if time is passing at one percent's normal speed. One woman controls it. It's Lena Headey. She's a mess.
But judgment is coming. 800 million people living in the ruin of the old world. Only one thing fighting for order in the chaos. The men and women of the hall of justice.
Morgan:Peace trees is the manufacturing base for all the slo mo in Mega City one.
Tom:You know how often we get a judge up in peace? Treaty? Please. Well, you got one now. She has control of everything. Levels one to 200.
Morgan:This is Mama. Somewhere in this block are two judges.
Tom:That's not good.
Morgan:I want him dead.
Tom:We're gonna have to go through him. Rookie, you ready?
Morgan:He's getting the Christian Bale route then. Yeah.
Tom:Not quite. Not quite that bad. Judgment time.
Morgan:Let's finish this.
Tom:Mama's not the law. I'm the law. Negotiation's over.
Morgan:Yeah.
Tom:His death.
Morgan:Yeah. I mean, I've heard nothing but good things about.
Tom:Yeah, it's real good. It's really good.
Morgan:But it's one of those ones where like, should I come back? But for whatever reason didn't.
Tom:We'll get onto that.
Morgan:Yeah.
Tom:Funnily enough. Yeah. So John Wagner, not a fan of Stallone version? He said he did like this one.
He said it's high octane, edge of the seat stuff and gives a far truer representation of Dredd than the first movie.
ave been great. However, in a:And unfortunate box office performance meant that it was problematic to try to make a sequel.
Morgan:Actually, by now, it's done well enough in.
Tom:Well, yeah. Home theaters.
Morgan:Yeah.
Tom:Home media.
Morgan:Home media.
Tom: Well, in May: Morgan:But surely it's one of those ones where. Because he's now become a bigger name because of the boys.
Tom:Well, the boys is about to wrap.
Morgan:Up, and so maybe it's one of those things where his presence alone is enough to book it in, sell it, book it in.
Tom:Can we get some time to film this, please? Well, we've got Carl, so. Oh, have you got Carl? You can book us. Yeah. It's not like getting a table at a busy restaurant, but, yeah.
Morgan:I don't want a tv series, though. I want a sequel. I don't want. It's too much.
Tom:No.
Well, also, this tv series was apparently, it was more like an ensemble drama about other judges, and Judge Dredd would be like a supporting character. Do you know what? We should do a judge Dredd show, but without judge Dredd or, like, with. He's not the main character.
Morgan:Yeah. Blade film was meant to be like that, where, like, blade's, like, the fourth main character in it, even. It's called Blade. No one wants it.
Just give us what I get Wesley snipes back. Give us what we want.
Tom: broadcast on BBC Radio one in: Morgan:I don't remember that.
Tom:Again, this whole thing of, like. Yeah, there was a judge Dredd stripping the Daily Star and, like. And then the metro radio one who commissioned that.
But I think we have a very, like, maybe, like, millennial idea of what Radio one is.
Morgan:A chart show and stuff. Like, the idea of obviously happened.
Tom:Yeah.
Morgan:I can't believe.
Tom:But I just, like, between Bruno Brooks and I just. I love the idea.
Morgan:Chris Evans.
Tom:I just love the idea. It's like yeah, that was a new one from do a leaper. Anyway, what's up next? I'll tell you what. Is Judge Dredd ready for Mega City? Like, what?
Morgan:That's like what? We're going back to the broom covers?
Tom:Yeah.
Morgan:Fucking hell. Weird.
Tom:Yeah. And between. We haven't done this for a while.
Between:I wanted to play maybe like a clip from these or a trailer.
Morgan:Sounds great.
Tom:The Judge Dredd series actually had a great theme song. Sadly, these are no longer available to purchase due to the license having expired and appear to have been scrubbed from the Internet.
Morgan:Why didn't they scrubbed from the Internet?
Tom:I wanted to play a clip, but fuck it. No, I can't. I can't. They fucked it. It's just gone.
Morgan:See, it's gone. If one was to torrent.
Tom:I don't.
Morgan:It's understandable.
Tom:No, literally. I try. I look, I tried to find it through, like, other means. I literally scrubbed from the.
Morgan:Did it even happen?
Tom:It did even happen. Now I've got some cds. Oh, yeah. I should like, sell them at the back of my. Back of the van or like, pass them around like in a pub or something.
But yeah, no, I couldn't. I wanted to play a clip. No, it's been.
Morgan:Can't be asked. Get the cd out.
Tom:Scrubbed from the Internet. What am I gonna do? Like, rip a cd? The kind of people who rip cds and then play those clips, they win awards.
Morgan:They do.
Tom:That's what they do.
Morgan:They put the effort in. Yeah, they have six listeners.
Tom:You say that's what sets them over the edge. Maybe that is what qualifies you. Six?
Morgan:Yeah.
Tom:Come on. Come on, number six.
Morgan:Come on.
Tom: and ZX Spectrum in: And then:Dredd versus Death was a first person shooter released for PC, PS, two, Xbox and GameCube, and featured many of the cast from the big finish plays. Toby Longworth, reprising his role as judge Dredd team up.
Morgan:Nick Briggs.
Tom:Yeah, he voiced Judge death. We just eliminated the last of the vampires from sector five. The regen infestation is over.
Morgan:Good.
Tom:Work Dredd.
Morgan: ping up security on the dark.: Tom:Huh?
Morgan:2003. Terrible strain on her, but she's doing fine. Thank you very much. Joe.
Tom:You weren't worried about me, were you? Control the drag rock war in progress.
Morgan:Corner of Reeves and Hopper.
Tom:On my way. Control dread out.
Morgan:I guess we'll never know.
Tom:Yeah. It's quite well regarded, that game. Yeah. Bit of an oddity, but yeah.
a pinball machine released in:The metal band Anthrax and the Human League have both written songs about Judge Dredd.
Morgan:What?
Tom:Not the reggae artist. Both titled I am the law.
Morgan:Okay. Yeah, the Human League.
Tom:Yeah.
Morgan:For Loki just went, you know what? Love a bit of fucking judge.
Tom: I love it. I'm a regular: n an interview with Empire in: await every Jar jazz prog of: being an invented slang word,:Everything about Dread is summarized in this exchange between him and Judge Fear, who is one of Judge Death's minions, an undead horror whose face will quite literally frighten the life out of you. Maybe we'll share this on social, but effectively, Judge fear. Yeah, he's terrifying. Stares into Judge Dredd's face.
He has this paralyzing, terrifying stare and says, gaze into the face of fear. And Judge Dredd punches his fist through his head. Through his head and says, gaze into the fist of dread.
Morgan:Can help.
Tom:Perfect. Yeah, sums it up. So, yeah, that's it. A beginner's guide to Judge Dredd.
Morgan:Yeah.
Tom:Thoughts?
Morgan:Great. I mean, I feel like he hasn't had the jew he deserves in terms of adaptations, at least. Clearly the comics are great, and they've had.
They live the life it's lived.
Tom:Yeah.
Morgan: d of. I mean, dread the film,: Tom:Yeah.
Morgan:Seems great, but I feel like, for whatever reason, it's not had the.
Tom:No. And that feels a legacy. I feel it's a strange thing to say when it's had. Yeah.
Morgan:It's clearly very popular.
Tom:Two films and books and audio radio plays, but it's not on the level of, like, Batman.
Morgan:No.
Tom:And it probably should.
Morgan:And you look at something like Guardians of the Galaxy, which was nothing. And because it's Marvel, they made it into this ridiculously mainstream thing, whereas I feel like Judge Dredd deserves that sort of.
And I feel like we're crying out for this kind of new era of, like, sort of. It's still comic books, but it's. We sort of get sort of done with superheroes in the way that we've been having it for, like 15 years.
Whereas this is like a different source of superhero.
Tom:Yeah.
Morgan:And I feel like it's comic books.
Tom:But it's not superheroes. It's dirty cops in space.
Morgan:I feel like we're crying out for this kind of. Yeah, I wouldn't. But again, I wouldn't bother trying from scratch. I think. Just bring back.
Tom:Bring back.
Morgan:Yeah.
Tom:Yeah.
Morgan:You've already got a fan base there.
Tom:I'm the law.
Morgan:But, yeah, great. I love the style. Love the. Yeah, the violence. I love the violence. I choose violence.
Tom:Yeah, yeah.
Morgan:Great.
Tom:Yeah. Good.
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Tom:Well, that's not true, Tom, because there's another way you can do that.
Morgan:Oh, is there?
Tom:Yeah. You can also become a two geek supporter on Patreon.
Morgan:Oh, great.
Tom:Patreon. Patreon.com. togeekscast. You can sponsor the podcast, and in return, what do you get? You get exclusive Patreon only minisodes. You get outtakes.
Get personalized thank you. Videos. You get merch. Tom. You get so much more. It's such a good deal.
Morgan:Did you know you can also email us?
Tom:I didn't know, tell me more.
Morgan:If you send an email to podcastwogeeks. Two beers.com.
Tom:Oh, yeah.
Morgan:And that's two, not the digit. Yeah.
You know, you could get in touch and say any thoughts, feedback, or suggestions, future episodes, or, you know, just the fact that you think we should have been nominated for an award and she wanted to send us your love.
Tom:I'm going to do that right now. I'm going to send us an email saying, I think you should be nominated for an independent podcast award. Yeah, I will.
All right, citizens, that's it for today's ride through megacity one. Until next time, I'm off duty. Back to the pub. Yeah. So before we wrap up, I'm sure people are fuming. They're like, that's it.
You talked about the Stallone judge Dredd movie. He didn't talk about the most iconic scene.
Morgan:Is that other one?
Tom:No, but I didn't talk about the most iconic scene. And I'm. And I'm gonna. Yeah, but I wanted to save it till the end as a little treat for the real fans who listen all the way to the end.
t the most memed scene in the:And I'm looking forward to seeing your reaction to this powerhouse of performance. All right. You can never control yourself. What makes you think you can control these things? You're in control.
Morgan:Kiss you, be head of the council.
Tom:You choose, and you choose quickly, too. I should have put you down myself, personally. You know, I never understood that. Why did you judge me? Why did you judge me?
You killed, and it's a peer. The means to an end. You started a message. I caused a revolution. You betrayed the law. I betrayed this. Can we go back? I want to watch it one more time.
I want to watch it one more time. That's good. That's good. Why did you judge me? You killed, and it's a peer. The means to an end. You started a mess. I caused the revolution.
You betrayed the law. Betray this. Your council's experiment, which failed. I feel like. Like Stallone just went. He betrayed the law and he just went.
Morgan:It just had enough of his shit.
Tom:Yeah, just like. I feel like it was almost taking the piss. And they just kept it. They just kept in the final film.
Morgan:Very funny.
Tom:Why did you judge me? You killed, and it's a piece. The means to an end. You started a mess. I caused a revolution. You betrayed the law. Great, great. The best.
The best scene in the whole brain. Yeah.
Morgan:Okay.
Tom:Yeah. So, I mean. I mean, give that film a sequel.
Morgan:Yeah.
Tom:More of that. Yeah, yeah.
Morgan:Well, multiverse.
Tom:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good.
Morgan:All right.
Tom:All right. See you next time.
Morgan:Cheers.
Tom:Bye. Cheers.
